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 07-08-2003, 11:28 Post: 59139
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I think referring to the "belt buckle pistols" they are really small and actually mount to a western style belt buckle. They are also REAL dangerous as they have NO trigger guard. DOC, if you want a great pocket pistol, buy a Walther PP in 32 ACP. Great pistols that take less room than a wallet.






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 07-08-2003, 16:06 Post: 59159
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Doc, the Walther PP and the PPKS are two different pistols. The PP was a standard issue automatic pistol for the German Polizei. In fact the one I have is a retired German Polizei pistol in very good condition. Very well made, never had a jam. The 32 ACP actually has more penetrating power than the 380 or 9mm Kurz. (9mm short) If you want a .22 pistol, go with the Walther TPH in stainless.






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 07-08-2003, 20:18 Post: 59170
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Doc, let me caution you as to what you ask for. I see your opening post asking about the derringer that fires .410 shells. These weapons are very effective at close range and also have an equally nasty recoil/muzzle flip. I have such a weapon that I use for home/self defense. I am an experienced and (not tootin' my own horn here) expert shooter. I am 6'2 and about 235 lbs. and the muzzle flip from this pistol is VERY stout even for me, but I am aware of what's coming when I squeeze the loud lever. This particular pistol is a a Smith & Wesson Model 629-2 stainless steel.44 Magnum with a 3 inch barrel, and goncalvo grips. Very good piece that brings ALOT of power to the table but can be over whelming in the wrong hands in terms of muzzle flip. I allowed a friend who is also an experienced and I would say expert to fire it and he fired one shot and handed back to me and said the muzzle flip nearly put the trigger into his forehead. A derringer firing a .410 shell would most likely be even worse in this department. Just don't want to see you get something that you are not going to be happy with. In my case, this particular pistol can be tamed down a good bit with .44 Special ammo. You make be in the market for something like a Smith & Wesson Chief of Police Special; real nice 5 shotter that can take the occasional +P .38 round, recessed trigger hammer, and i believe a 1 3/4 inch barrel. (I may be wrong on the barrel) Very effective, much more easy on the shooter, and just a great general all round pocket pistol. For the wife the Lady Smith is even smaller. Anyhow, some like choclate & some like vanilla. Gotta go with what meets your taste and needs.






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 07-08-2003, 20:46 Post: 59174
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Laughing out loud!!!! Doc, I think what you want is a zip gun. REAL concielable.






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 07-10-2003, 08:12 Post: 59255
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Doc, AMT is short for Arcadia Machine & Tool. They make among other things guns. I have a pair of twins AMT Hardballer Longslides. Not very conceilable but sweet shooting puppies once you get the sear broken in; they are kinda stiff when new. I couple hundred rounds loosens them right up. Their .380 is of similar quality; all stainless. Based on Colt models; only thing that sucks with these model but is easily fixed is the magazines. The magazines are really flimzy; just replace with a better quality mag. I am not sure on this but I thought that AMT went out of business a long time ago.






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 07-11-2003, 10:47 Post: 59353
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Murf, what are you running on the water that will do 80 mph with passengers and goodies?






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I was thinking that it had to be a Fountain of some sort. What are you running triple 572's? Bet you can just literally watch the gas gauge go down when the loud levers are all the way forward. What kinda drives you running????? You gotta post some pics! Bet I ever got out my rig was 46 mph and that was with all the passengers farting, flapping their arms, tail wind, and the fish pushing us. Only did that one time just to check out a new prop. I usually just cruise at about 3200 rpm and that is just fine and relaxing and she does about 28 mph. I run a 16" x 16" aluminum prop and that is about the limit before over propping. Anything over 50 where there are collidable objects in or on the water it too much white knuckle boating for me. Got enough of the white knuckle stuff in the Army flying helicopters. Having over 3,800 shaft hp. strapped to your butt has some interesting moments over time. :-O






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